Again,let's learn from Oz how to maintain credible defense force

with minimum or zero hard ware.

If i tell u only one or zero air tanker is in service for RAAF,

u wont believe.Neither i dunt believe until i read in black and white,

provided by RAAF.

How many old Boeing 707 MRTT in service

1.The  Boeing 707 tanker/transport (MRTT) was retired

in end of June,after 29 years of service.

http://www.airforce.gov.au/b707farewell/index.htm

http://www.airforce.gov.au/aircraft/b707.htm

Further proof;

‘City of Sydney’ was one of two remaining B707s in service with 33 Squadron at RAAF Base Richmond. The other B707, ‘Richmond Town’, is due to be retired in June 2008.

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/DepartmentalTpl.cfm?CurrentId=7229

dated 01 nov 2007

2.JDW 18.06.2008 by Julian Kerr said that only one

Boeing 707 was  still in service,out of 5 establishment.

3.So,the most was one Boeing 707 tanker is still

in service.

How many new KC-30B Multi-Role Tanker Transportin is in service

as at 03 Aug 2008?

http://www.airforce.gov.au/aircraft/kc30b.htm

The answer in zero .BUT the answer is one if u consider that first

the platform converted under testing is also in service.

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/adm/index.cfm/p/archives.detail/objectID/70722F2E-5056-8C22-C9A43A5A3093C8BA/pageno/1?search=MRTT&relatedPub=&page=3&exactphrase=

The first plan just completed conversion in Madrid.

The remainder 4 plans are to be converted in Brisbane,

under the charge of Qantas Airways.

The future of the RAAF’s air-to-air refuelling capability will be the EADS/Airbus KC-30B Multi-Role Tanker Transport, due for delivery to the RAAF commencing in early 2009.

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/DepartmentalTpl.cfm?CurrentId=7229

01 nov 2007

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The RAAF's tanker program is taking shape in Spain with first flight of EADS' new boom refuelling system expected later this year(2008)...

Due to be delivered from 2008, these multi-role aircraft will replace the RAAF's three ageing Boeing 707 tankers.

http://www.australiandefence.com.au/adm/index.cfm/p/archives.detail/objectID/6223AC25-65BF-75E5-C45F8F8F4A64EA46/pageno/1?search=MRTT&relatedPub=&page=3&exactphrase=

10 Jan 2008

The RAAF's plane in Spain

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All in order

31 Jan 2008

“We are on track and proud of the results we are getting, right in line with our expectations. We are becoming a reference in the air-to-air refuelling technology and systems with the market’s acknowledgement,” said Carlos Suarez, Head of EADS Military Transport Aircraft Division and Chairman of EADS CASA.  

Flight-testing of the A330 MRTT, the first production aircraft for the RAAF, has continued at a fast pace and initial handling and performance evaluation are as predicted.

All aerodynamic tests for the A330 MRTT have been completed successfully, as well as testing of handling quality, performance, loads, autopilot and anemometry.
An important feature of the process included flutter testing and the flight envelope has been successfully cleared. 

Civil Certification flight tests with the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) are scheduled to be performed next.

As part of the tests, hose stability data gathering has been completed and pre-contact position trials conducted with an F-18 fighter aircraft.

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ai yo... OZ is not like sg lah... they got alot of empty land hor..... so.. no fuel ar... just land and go to the nearest refill station lor..... so...they just have to build more refill station around OZ lah.... dun need air tanker one... v

Dear learned forumers,i am talking abour mid air refuel tankers.

Dunt involve transport capability .

U cant use the Global Master to mid air refuel to other planes,right?

 

why does a credible defense force need to refill in mid air when they can do it on land?? the whole of OZ belong to them what...

Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

ai yo... OZ is not like sg lah... they got alot of empty land hor..... so.. no fuel ar... just land and go to the nearest refill station lor..... so...they just have to build more refill station around OZ lah.... dun need air tanker one... v

u are right in peace time.In war,do u think Oz can control the whole theater

and the RAAF plane can land any where to refuel?

Even so,Mid air refuel can extend combat range,unless RAAF want to

give up this edge.

Originally posted by I-like-flings(m):

why does a credible defense force need to refill in mid air when they can do it on land?? the whole of OZ belong to them what...

u mean RAAF plan cant  fly beyond Oz soil?

Originally posted by lionnoisy:

u are right in peace time.In war,do u think Oz can control the whole theater

and the RAAF plane can land any where to refuel?

Even so,Mid air refuel can extend combat range,unless RAAF want to

give up this edge.

ai yo... who in the right mind will attack OZ, especially landing troops there? and can land then say lor... plus.. why would a defence force need to extend it combat range???? they wan to DEFENCE till where?

it seems like you have something against them lionnoisy. anyway they have no certified air tanker reported by the press. doesnt mean that they have no certified air tankers at all...military secrets ya...

who is in the right mind to invade Oz ???

woohoo! lionnoisy's back!

Okay.... who still doesn't believe that the noisy lion has an anti-Australian agenda?

 

Tx for all your responses.

So far ,the main points u all put is No body will give trouble

to Oz.Therefore,wether it is one or 5 air tanker in services

do not matter.

Well.If Oz think No body will disturb them,then why did they order

billion of dollars of the controversial Super hornets and

JSF ,3 Airwarfare Destoryer--AWD and even thinking of

new subs with cruise missiles?

Pl read here for discusions the projects from

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/retired-raaf-vicemarshal-abandon-f35-buy-f22s-updated-02681/

Why does Oz spend more than A$20 billion on defense annually,

almost the gavaman expenditure of Singapore!

Oz is rich in underground resources.This is the magnet for

wrong thinking to disturb Oz.

In WW2,Germany sub approached the shore of Oz...

Pl read this and other papers how Oz talking about rising power

in Asia and the military spending affecting Oz.

http://www.aspi.org.au/publications/publication_details.aspx?ContentID=176&pubtype=6

Strategic Insight 42 - Asian military trends and their implications for Australia Thursday, 3 July 2008 Australia's military capability edge in the Asian region has been facilitated by a relative economic advantage that is now eroding. Asian militaries are now expanding and acquiring sophisticated capabilities. This paper, authored by Andrew Davies, examines the drivers of this trend and looks at the implications for Australia.

 However,I find the author is too confident on the capabilty on

RAAF in the ability in air refuelling.This is one of the 3 factors

he put RAAF has the edge over Asiasn air force.

But he forgets the CURRENT in service situation of mid air refuel

tanker in Oz!!

As at the date of publication in July 2008,ALL old air tanker were

retired and NO new tanker is officially in service.

Just one is under post- conversion testing.

Further,the old tankers have been retiring in the recent years.

So,how many pilots,both for air tanker

and other RAAF pilots,NOW capable for mid air refuel is a question mark.

Ironically, the most contentious of
capabilities—the Royal Australian Air Force’s
(RAAF) air combat force—is actually very well

placed to meet any regional challenge. The air
forces of Southeast Asia are likely to remain
modest in size and will not have the full suite
of support capabilities in the form of air-to-air
refuelling, electronic warfare self-protection
and attack systems and airborne early
warning aircraft that the RAAF will have.

Comments

Norman Ashworth Monday, 14 July 2008

is interesting.

2.Credible defense force is a big chip in negotiation

In 2 nd century or 21 st century.

Armed Force is the main power when u have dispute

with other countries.Who knows u will has a dispute?

When u cant resolve in negotitation table....

No body know when u need to push the button to activate

armed force.....and when do u need the air tanker...

Dunt rely on FPDA,which is a one way assistance to help

Singapore,but not the other way round.

SG,UK,MY and NZ dunt hAVE THE obligation to help Oz.

Besides,there is no fighters in NZ.

ST Engineering just delivered a Multi Role Transport Plan to NZ.

http://www.stengg.com/pressroom/press_releases_read.aspx?paid=1270

 

Conversion work on the aircraft was carried out at ST Aerospace's US facility, ST Mobile Aerospace Engineering (MAE), where MAE converted the aircraft from an all passenger arrangement to a multi-role configuration that allows the carriage of passenger, freight, mixed passenger-freight, Very-Important-Persons (VIP) and Aero-Medical Evacuation.

 

baised POV. pointless to engage a discussion with...

Pl note currently there is no AEW for Oz.

It is due to be delivered in 2009 and reach FOC in 2010,

few years behind schedule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_AEW&C

http://www.raaf.gov.au/aircraft/wedgetail.htm

reda JDW 18.06.2008.by Julian Kerr

 

well done! good job!

 

Can you please report on the Malaysians and Indonesians military instead?  We don't seem to be concerned about Australia's problems at the moment.

It is a shame to see Australia only has one air tanker at the moment. However we are getting 5 and these planes are brand new.

The lack of air tankers impedes an air force's ability to conduct offensive missions, however in terms of defence of a nation, there really isn't an issue since airbases are present. You don't have airbases in countries you're trying to attack, hence the need for tankers.

So lionnoisy, you got your facts right, it's just that you're a spastic when it comes to interpreting them.

Thks for your info Lionnoisy !

Originally posted by Shotgun:

well done! good job!

Can you please report on the Malaysians and Indonesians military instead?  We don't seem to be concerned about Australia's problems at the moment.

I think u guys know better than me.

Originally posted by Asian Aussie:

It is a shame to see Australia only has one air tanker at the moment. However we are getting 5 and these planes are brand new.

The lack of air tankers impedes an air force's ability to conduct offensive missions, however in terms of defence of a nation, there really isn't an issue since airbases are present. You don't have airbases in countries you're trying to attack, hence the need for tankers.

So lionnoisy, you got your facts right, it's just that you're a spastic when it comes to interpreting them.

Actually I don't see why lionnoisy is making such a big issue of this, given in his opinion the RAAF is going to launch their F-18s from their "mini cvs" instead of having to fly them from the mainland.

I remember that crazy idea he had!  Flying F18s off our LHDs. What a nut!

1. Not possible.

2. Difficult politically. Can you imagine the ramifications across SE Asia if Australia were to have a "miniCV"? Australia is after defence not offence. Aircraft carriers are seen as offensive weapons, hence Japan tries to avoid the issue as well.

As for me, hell yeah I'd love to see Australia get back into the CV business. It's been 25 years since Australia last had one.

I remember that crazy idea he had!  Flying F18s off our LHDs. What a nut!

I think to call him that would be an insult to nuts... at least nuts have the excuse of being insane.

He's just being childish.